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Funny name, real interests
joaolopes
29 ( +1 | -1 )
Portuguese Opening Does anybody knows the Portuguese Opening? Wich is:
1. e4 e5
2. Bb5
I don't know it very well, despite being Portuguese nor I know how to defend the bishop from 2. ...c6 or a6. But Kevin Spraggett (International Grand Master) believes it's a truly new opening wich very rare these days.
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tulkos
6 ( +1 | -1 )
It can't be new! I played it once!of cours it was a mistake,but I played it anyway.
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brunetti
21 ( +1 | -1 )
I played it too (very seldom), in blitz games; I've read about it somewhere many years ago. It's not too bad as it may seem at first; his strategic value may resemble the Alekhine defence. Anyway, White has 10 better 2nd moves :)
Alex
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philaretus
17 ( +1 | -1 )
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bb4?! This is a defence even more dubious than the Portuguese Opening, but which I've played against a computer. Does anyone know whether it has a name?
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matadordelrey
55 ( +1 | -1 )
Welcome To The New World !!! Portuguese and not the Spaniards are the ones who discovered the New World ! Ferdinand Magellan and Christopher Columbus, as far as I know, were actually Portuguese but employed by the Spanish Royalty to navigate the globe! My fantasy disclosed that the great champion Senor Ruy Lopez of Spain copied the idea of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5! from Potuguese's 2.Bb5?!?. WOW!!! My fictional imagination led me to theorize that 2.Bb5?!? was transported to the New World as a surprise novel weapon to the Indians. To the great surprise of the Conquerors, the Indians had an equally surprising counter-attack, i.e. 1.e4 e5 2.Bb5?!? Bb4?!? ....and the rest was history....the Portuguese attack was never tried again.
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death_by_pawns
7 ( +1 | -1 )
It's called the Death by Pawns Opening. Kramnik says he likes the name a lot.
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matadordelrey
20 ( +1 | -1 )
Philaretus Defense !!! Sir, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bb4?!, as far as I can recall, has no name yet! Hence, you must claim it as Philaretus Defense at once!!! In these cyber-age days it's almost impossible to find a bizarre novelty on the 2nd move. Congratulations, Sir Martin Wilson!
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death_by_pawns
5 ( +1 | -1 )
ahem-ahem did you miss my previous post? it's already named.
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matadordelrey
22 ( +1 | -1 )
I Missed It By A HairLine !!! Death_by_pawns, you're truly a chessplayer, snatching every inch of an opportunity. I missed to inform Philaretus to claim it as his own by mere 10 minutes and 50 seconds. Anyway, congrats. I'LL REMEMBER your newly discovered opening BY HEART!!!
tulkos
12 ( +1 | -1 )
ahem.the rules are, to claim an opening as your own you must do one of these two things,1) play it in a tournament 2) publish your theory on the opening.
philaretus
18 ( +1 | -1 )
ahem... Death_by_pawns was of course joking.
The crucial lines, as I see them, are:
(1) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bb4 3.Nxe5 Qe7
(2) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bb4 3.c3 Ba5 4.d4 exd4 5.Qxd4
(3) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bb4 3.a3 Ba5 4.b4 Bb6 5.Nxe5 Qe7 6.Bb2
Has anyone any more analysis to add to these, admittedly, fairly crude suggestions?
death_by_pawns
8 ( +1 | -1 )
booya! yeah! already played it in a tournament! now I only need to publish my theory on it!
atrifix
15 ( +1 | -1 )
White is better after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Bb4 3. c3!:
A) 3... Bf8 leaves White two tempi up on the Ponziani opening.
B) 3... Ba5 4. Nxe5 Qe7 5. d4 d6 6. Qa4+ wins.
C) 3... Bc5, Be7, Nxe5
D) 3... Bd6 leaves Black in a horrible position in terms of development.
tulkos
cosanostra
55 ( +1 | -1 )
About that particular opening. Atrifix, your analyzis was a bit incomplete, especially about the Ba5 variant.
When you risk so much tempoloss it is very stupid to bring out your queen so early. After c3 Ba5 I'd chase the bishop with my queenside pawns untill it is put on h7/c7 (I think that is logic), gaining much space but, as mentioned, the ability (for black)to, like Alekhine's defence, attack the pawn formation.
I think it is just that the opening is there for.
A, Bf8 is worthless.
B, Ba5 I could try.
C, Bc5 is worse than Be7 (which still is too passive and do not create anything.
D, Bd6 deserves not to be mentioned.
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atrifix
41 ( +1 | -1 )
3. c3 Ba5 4. Nxe5 looks like a clear win to me. The only way black can try to win his pawn back is 4... Qe7 5. d4 d6, but then 6. Qa4+ wins the a5 bishop with the better position, since 6... Nc6 loses to 7. Nxc6. Actually, IMO 3... Bd6 is the objectively best move, since it isn't losing a pawn immediately (idea is to follow with c6 and Bd6-c7), however, it leaves black serously backward in development.
Atrifix
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paulvalle
78 ( +1 | -1 )
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bb4 some sh**ty games:
[Event "?"]
[Site "corr IECG Cat-M"]
[Date "1996.??.??"]
[White "Rhinehart, J "]
[Black "Robichaud, D "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C40"]
[Round "?"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Bb4 3. c3 Be7 4. d4 f6 5. dxe5 fxe5 6. Nxe5 Bh4 7. Qf3 d6 8. Qf7+ 1-0
[Event "?"]
[Site "Gaylord N MI op"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Morio, J "]
[Black "Schlak, G "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C40"]
[Round "2"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Bb4 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nd3 Bc5 5. Nxc5 dxc5 6. Qf3 Qf6 7. Qxf6 gxf6 8. Nc3 Ne7 9. Nb5 O-O 10. Nxc7 Kh8 11. Nxa8 h5 12. h3 Rd8 13. d3 Rd7 14. Be3 b5 15. Bxc5 Ba6 16. Bxe7 Rxe7 17. O-O-O Bb7 18. h4 Bxa8 19. Be2 Rc7 20. Bxh5 Rc5 21. Bxf7 Rc7 22. Bb3 b4 23. g4 a5 24. g5 fxg5 25. hxg5+ Rh7 26. g6 Rh3 27. Rxh3+ Kg7 28. Rdh1 Kf6 29. f4 Nd7 30. Rg1 Kg7 31. Rh7+ Kf6 32. Rxd7 Bc6 33. Rd6+ Kg7 34. Rxc6 Kf8 35. g7+ Ke7 36. g8=Q Kd7 37. Rh6 Kc7 38. Rg7+ 1-0
[Event "?"]
[Site "Eastpointe ch-MI 30"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Martell, R "]
[Black "Strimpel, D "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Round ""]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Bb4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d3 Qe7 5. Bd2 Ba5 6. Be2 Bb6 7. O-O O-O 8. Be3 Ng4 9. Bxb6 axb6 10. Nd5 Qd8 11. h3 Nh6 12. Nxe5 Qg5 13. Nxc7 Ra5 14. Nc4 Rc5 15. Nd5 d6 16. f4 Qg3 17. Qe1 Qg6 18. Ne7+ Kh8 19. Nxg6+ Kg8 20. Ne7+ Kh8 21. Nxc8 Rcxc8 22. c3 Rcd8 23. Nxb6 Nc6 24. Bf3 Rfe8 25. Qg3 Re6 26. f5 Re5 27. Nd5 b5 28. Qg5 f6 29. Nxf6 b4 30. Nh5 Rg8 31. Nxg7 Rxg7 32. Qxh6 Ne7 33. Qxd6 Kg8 34. Qxe5 Nc6 35. Qd5+ Kf8 36. Qxc6 Re7 37. cxb4 Kf7 38. Bh5+ Kg7 39. f6+ Kf8 40. fxe7+ Kxe7 41. Rf7+ Kd8 42. Qd7+ 1-0
paulvalle
121 ( +1 | -1 )
1.e4 e5 2.Bb5 A Game:
Vescovi-Sokolov, Sigeman GM 1995
1.e4 e5 2.Bb5 c6 Ba4 Nf6! 4.Qe2 Bc5 5.Nf3 d5 6.exd5 0-0 7.Nxe5 Re8 8.c3 Bxf2+ 9.Kf1 Bg4 10.Qxf2 Rxe5 11.Kg1 Qe7 0-1
A Book:
DIE PORTRIGIESISCHE EROFFUNG 1 e4, e5 2 Bb5
By FM Ferreira and Sampaio with foreword by GM Spraggett
A Video:
-Portuguese Opening, Foxy Openings:
With IM Andrew Martin
Some sites:
-THE CHESS KAMIKAZE:
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Hangar/5176/gambit/portu.htm
-SAH MAT LISTA I SKOLA SAHA:
www.sah.paracin.co.yu/portugalskigambit.htm
-Unorthodox Chess Openings:
www.chessworks.com/analysis/Openings/Unorthodox/UCOdraft/UNO_op.htm#Heading12
Tim Harding:
archives.emazing.com/archives/chess/2001-03-15
Chess Megapage:
www.550m.com/usuarios/chesstheory/show.asp?loc=portuguese.html