48 ( +1 | -1 ) Yes or No is it ---ever right to let your opponent win or give him a draw even if you are winning for any reason ??? My dad says never let your opponent win or give a draw for any reason , you must always try to totally crush him!! however in friendly games in person with my friends and other chess players I sometimes feel sorry for them so i draw or sometimes let them win . AM I WRONG FOR DOING THIS ?? PLEASE ALL COMMENTS ARE WELCOME AND MAYBE YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME? YOURS BLUEBABYGIRL
89 ( +1 | -1 ) win, losing, and/or drawingwhen you play in a tournament, serious game, and so on it is right to crush your opponent. when playing with friends usually try to win and when playing an opponent you know is weaker go easy on them first then beat them... when i go to otb tournaments i play as serious as possible. with friends i try to win but dont really care since it is just a friendly game. as for the weaker players... i once tried fools mate (4 move checkmate) and it successfully worked the first time i played my older brothers friend. he said "wow! you're amazing" and then we agreed to another game. this time i knew for sure i could easily beat him so i decided to go easy. i gave pieces away for free and put myself into a complex situation with my opponent now winning. however i ended up winning because i need not want to lose my respect:P
63 ( +1 | -1 ) to jean-marci know you are joking !! Cyrano was never in any danger of me winning!!! i resigned that game just before i posted this thread !! he had me crushed . he really is marvelous player and a true gentleman. no i asked because i recently agreed to a draw with a friend and my dad gave me quite a lecture about how i should never do that . it was a case where that person played a fantastic game made a simple mistake around move 30 gave me a 4 move mate combination and i chose to force a draw instead. jean that sure was funnny about me throwing game !! yours bluebabygirl
66 ( +1 | -1 ) Why do you play chess?Ask yourself this simple question? If you play to win, go and play and crush 'em! But if you play for fun, do what's fun for you! If you feel sorry for a friend who is not as good as you, you can let him/her win, or offer a draw. My father crushes me every time I dare to challenge him, OK, that's his policy, but not always mine. I make it easy on my brother, give off a piece or two. But in the example you stated it seemed that you and your opponent were almost evenly matched, so you could have nailed him down. Nobody likes losing, but to lose and be devastatedly crushed is never good for anyone. When it's a tight game, feel free to kick righteous donkey :) But, in the end, it all comes to a simple question; what do YOU want to do?
39 ( +1 | -1 ) Voigtkampf is rightI think voigtkampf is right. Each player has their own policy on this. There is nothing wrong with offering a draw in a won position. There is nothing wrong with completly crushing your opponnent. You do what you want to do. There is no rule that says you have to win a won game
37 ( +1 | -1 ) am i going to get crushed?dear bluebabygirl. i find you a formidable opponent and as i've only been playing a short while please excuse my delay in replying to some of your moves. i think that you should let me and my good friend fattycunny both win, i mean just look at his photo. how could you totally crush him, or me for that matter. ps does your dad play on gameknot?
90 ( +1 | -1 ) Personally, I would feel patronised if I felt someone 'let' me win when I myself was playing to win. I would rather be crushed in a fair game than win in a farce.
So I would turn it around and say it depends on your opponent. If they are seriously playing you to win, you owe them the respect of playing your best game.
This supposes they have a decent comprehension of the game compared to you, so that such a contest can still be rewarding for them. I might go easy on a child or a learner, for example.
If, on the other hand your opponents is playing less seriously, just for the fun of playing, then it is probably a bit rude to crush them mercilessly.
In the case where a friend made a thoughtless blunder after a good game, I would probably let them take the move back (to be able to continue an interesting game), or just abandon the game at that point, and start a new one.
11 ( +1 | -1 ) Thanks, mercyI believe nothing exposes people and their true nature as much as the way they play games!
32 ( +1 | -1 ) Maybeyou do not see why it is the best at the moment but just turn to H.C. Andersen to see that it is always the best in the end.
That said I find that you should not always trust your parents they might try to sell you to child laybuur at the nearest House of Joy.
9 ( +1 | -1 ) I never let anyone beat me!
Its fun to make the opponent believe he is a worser chessplayer than Iam!
87 ( +1 | -1 ) In tournamentsIt can be tactical to change results of games.
For example if you a playing in rounds and you and your opponent only need a draw to get through to the next round, I would except or offer a draw in this position. Also if you need only a draw to win a tournament, you can still lose when you have the advantage, why risk it.
In one tournament I saw that the strongest players had finished, I got up and checked the results, me winning meant I would play one of them, and drawing would mean I would not.
As a result I finished the tourney only 1/2 pt down and came second, winning a prize. If I had lost a game I would have come away with nothing. of course I may well have beaten the toughest player in the tournament and given the same situation now, I would play him. At the time I was trying to improve my rating, I wanted a good result and didnt want a loss.
5 ( +1 | -1 ) Losing games on purposeIn tourneys is sometimes called Swiss Gambit :-)
43 ( +1 | -1 ) TO ALLwow!!! MUCH GREAT INFO ON THIS . AND I FIND MANY INTERESTING VIEWS . TO BASELINE YES FATHER (USUALLY KNOWS BEST) BUT HERE THERE SEEMS TO BE A MAJORITY SAYING HE IS WRONG ??SO THERE ARE GOOD VALID REASONS NOT TO TOTALLY CRUSH YOUR OPPONENT EACH AND EVERY TIME. to peppe_l very good!! to sumsar my dad would never do that to me , why he says Im a just a JOY to be around !!! thanks all . yours bluebabygirl
I agree with your father. In chess, overall in competition chess you must aquire what Nigel Short called once "The Killer Instinct". I know that is hard to win a game after game to a friend who is learning or trying to get better. But I think it is worst for him to give him the false illusion that he is playing better. Defeats are good (I don't like them, of course), like a medicine: not tasty but good. They reinforce your character and teaches you.
The only exception that I can imagine is a situation of a very dramatic film. I don't remmember its name in this moment, but the trama was this: In Germany, in a concentration camp, during the WWII, the SS Commander in chief of the camp (that was a chess fanatic) was told that among the prisioners was a young jewish chess genius. The SS Commander ordered to bring him into his precense to play a game of chess. The bet: "If you win, I'll kill 100 children; if you lose, I'll kill you, if we draw, I'll kill you and the children". This is one of the exceptions that I can imagine to let an opponent to win me a game.
Your friend and admirer,
16 ( +1 | -1 ) I think when you are playing a friend who is trying to improve, it is as Nietzsche wrote:
"All great love is above all its pity: for it seeketh- to create what is loved!"
30 ( +1 | -1 ) Nietzsche and bluebabygirl?Hardly...I read a lot of Nietzsche and know him darn well; he is far too dark for our gentle pearl bluebabygirl and I don't believe she could ever be so hard and cruel as he suggest people should be.
"...alle grosse Liebe ist noch ueber all ihrem Mitleiden: denn sie will das Geliebte noch - schaffen!"
26 ( +1 | -1 ) If your opponent is weaker than you, why not give them odds? Take your queen off the board or play 5:1 blitz games or something. Certainly, no one plays as aggressively in friendly games as in tournament games, but why would you intentionally play bad moves?
14 ( +1 | -1 ) Bluebabynot father is always right - mother is always right. Ask her!
And if you like to go extraordinary crazy without listening to old rockfools, listen to Nietzsche.
89 ( +1 | -1 ) BluebabygirlFor me (and each of my students), chess is not vicarious war, nor does it have anything to do with ego fulfillment, adrenaline rushes, or even winning.
Instead, the chessboard is a well-defined and restricted environment, the pieces are capacity-driven, the conflict is to see whose will prevails, and the drama is finding the Correct Idea from the given position, to submit to the dictates of that position, to master that environment.
Those who play to crush an opponent miss the transferrability of chessic wisdom. Those who purposefully play below capacity will not develop chessically or in other disciplines of wisdom.
The best way to play a poorer playing friend is to analyse the game afterwards, pointing out ONE or TWO key mistakes, encouraging her to concentrate only on the big errors, to be kind to herself, and to reassure her you were at her level once yourself.
Allow the game to be a learning experience, in which both teacher and student benefit.
21 ( +1 | -1 ) The DrawI belive that if you are winning, you should never offer a draw. My friend offered a draw when he had over 5 checkmate possibilities. We kicked him off the chess team for that. What do you think bluebaby?
21 ( +1 | -1 ) My humble opinion...Chess is War - kill or be killed. The purpose of a game is to win so that should be the objective but it can also be alot of fun depending on the opponent and circumstances. Tournment play is the only exception - you must go for the throat and have no mercy!
97 ( +1 | -1 ) re--to bartlebie dad says mother is right only when she agrees with him!!! To batman_225 a rather harsh punishment was it not??To atrifix- my friends think im being arrogant when i offer odds they refuse . good point macheide and to drgandalf while i like your overall concept , I must say im not that passive ,, that would take a very cool no even cold logical approach , which i have to much passion for chess to ever be that cold logical and calculating . thanks voigtkampf for your confidence in my ability to show mercy on my good friend!!! to clemens about love you quote that , here's mine --Love is not the fruit that you TAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Nor is it only the passion that you GIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It is instead the cherish bond that you MAKE!!!!!!!!!!While creating the precious memories that you LIVE!A bluebabygirl original just for you clemens -- always be careful i use any excuse to write poetry !!!!!!!!!!!!
18 ( +1 | -1 ) The Harsh PunishmentDid I say "we". I ment the coach kicked him off the team. He was a very good chess player. I want him to join the team next year. I don't know why coaches do things like that.
13 ( +1 | -1 ) play honest so opponents knows their true levelI would say that one must play an honest games in order that the opponents knows one's true level of play.
78 ( +1 | -1 ) Good to seethat you are waxing poetical again BBG. Another great thread - interesting reading. As far as seasoned chessplayers playing competitively goes, it's usually no love lost - every man for himself - don't give an inch type of stuff while sitting at the board and goodnatured banter while you're having a cup of coffee in the break. Playing beginners - be they friends, your kids, your neighbours kids, your grandchildren or whatever, is a bit different. You might have a sensitive kid who is showing a real interest in the game, but you can see is having the stuffing knocked out by repeatedly losing - might be a case for throwing a game just to give him or her some confidence. Then again you might be playing a kid who has taken real delight in beating all the other beginners, and is overdue for a taste of reality!
66 ( +1 | -1 ) Everything is relative, of course.But I think you should always play the very best move that you can see.
Letting weaker players win does nothing to help their chess ability. Although when I was teaching my very young friend to play chess, it did make me feel like a mean old man to crush him so badly everytime. But I didn't want him to learn to play weak moves. The risk is that he will become discouraged and give up the game. But for me, it was the crushing defeats, over and over again from the same player, that gave me the resolve to study and improve, until finally, I am the best chess player that I know! (in person)
28 ( +1 | -1 ) actually...bluebabygirl in your only draw, your friend blundered, which allowed you back into the game and to pull out a draw. There was no mating combination I could see. The game was a legitimate draw.
93 ( +1 | -1 ) to kingof pawnsthe game i was talking about was played at my house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not here on this site!! I have never discusssed a game from this site in forums and most likely never will -- unless I should win against Cyrano - laugh til I CRY!!! only God could help me with that miracle !! however I thank you for your opinion on my only draw game at this site . my friend that I was referring to has been my friend for over 10 years and she needed a boost after losing 4 straight games to my older brother . so I kinda help her a little , because that was first time that she did not lose to me . --yes again ----Talk about her draw and how her opponent did BLUNDER!!!!! When she read that which you WROTE!!!!! She began to scream louder than THUNDER!!!!!! Only to sit back, consider to take NOTE!!!!! So many great people ,what a great WONDER!!!!! YOURS BLUEBABYGIRL
16 ( +1 | -1 ) well...You have to admit, you didn't make the context clear and in the draw game you played here, your opponent also blundered around move 30.
20 ( +1 | -1 ) to king-im really impressed that you went over my draw game . perhaps you care to send me your analysis ??????? maybe you would care to go over my wins also? yours bluebabygirl
16 ( +1 | -1 ) only offer a draw when you are sure that a win is not possible and if you stayed out late night before feel tired sleepy beg for a draw . later.